"On day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases," DeSantis said on the Clay and Buck podcast. "And we will be aggressive at issuing pardons.".... DeSantis just lost me.
It shows what the GOP has become where DeSantis just tries to be Trump on this issue. That's not something which will appeal to Democrats or swing voters.
And it may turn off some people who would have voted for Trump. My aunt voted for him because she identifies as a conservative, doesn't really follow the news, and is so sweet she thinks the horrible facts about Trump must be exaggeration. (She also strongly supports abortion rights, lgbtq rights, and a living wage, so I think she's a liberal and doesn't realize it.) But she thought Jan. 6 was wrong, and might be convinced to vote against a candidate who would pardon the perpetrators, or at least not vote at all.
Besides the disgusting fact that he’d be willing to pardon terrorists, it’s hilarious that he thinks that “getting folks together to look at stuff” is the boldest action plan he could think of.
You have a sharp eye, Jamie. That Daniel Wilson affidavit link has a rich trove of information. I haven't thought about the Grey Ghost for years. There was a TV series about him in the Fifties but in those early days of the civil rights movement its days were numbered. I had no idea until this morning that Col. John S. Mosby attended the same college from which my maternal grandfather graduated a few decades later.
When the GQP House says, “they did their job”, they are lying. They didn’t say WHICH benefits that Americans rely on to survive they would cut, they just threw out a number that was large enough to pass a bill by ONE vote… and there are more than a few radical right wing bomb throwers that won’t accept anything less.
In the end Biden has no choice but to declare the debt ceiling removed, based on the budget already passed by previous legal action. Let the right wing terrorists sue him, but the world economy won’t crash… and anyone who sues will be stating they want it to crash.
What are the differences between Don and Ron for the future? Don says he would stop giving money to Ukraine, Ron says he would continue. But money from the defense industry won't be enough for him to get the nomination over Trump.
I totally agree there were bad actors on Jan 6. These people should be punished to the full extent of the law. What I see are Republican candidates for President expressing the principals of swift, just and equal punishment under the law.
This is sort of like the claims of fraud after the 2020 election. Lots of talk, but nothing real. If the legal process was unfair, don't you think there would be a track record of court rulings in favor of various Jan. 6 defendants? And yet, there isn't.
No, the comparison is more like with the people responsible for the lives lost, the injured, and the billions of dollars in property damage caused during the riots of 2020.
I believe for many if not most of the Jan 6'rs, a night in jail was probably enough to teach them a behavioral lesson.
The "legal process" often begins with a grand jury's analysis of the "facts" which then lead to the next step in the process. The old saying is true that a prosecutor can persuade a grand jury to indite a ham sandwich, after which the next step is a *trial* which may or may not be followed by an *appeal*.
In this case there is not a "track record" other than the reports that have been released.
It seems to me this is the beginning of a "legal process".
Is there no chance of an appeal to a higher authority? Surely there must be some legal steps to pursue other than wait for a presidential pardon.
What do you think has been unfair? They all have had lawyers, and plenty of time to craft a defense. They've had juries unless any of them chose bench trials, and voir dire to select unbiased jurors. In all the cases I've read about, the evidence against them has been concrete, not circumstantial. I don't see what has been unfair. Please enlighten me.
"On day one, I will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases," DeSantis said on the Clay and Buck podcast. "And we will be aggressive at issuing pardons.".... DeSantis just lost me.
It shows what the GOP has become where DeSantis just tries to be Trump on this issue. That's not something which will appeal to Democrats or swing voters.
And it may turn off some people who would have voted for Trump. My aunt voted for him because she identifies as a conservative, doesn't really follow the news, and is so sweet she thinks the horrible facts about Trump must be exaggeration. (She also strongly supports abortion rights, lgbtq rights, and a living wage, so I think she's a liberal and doesn't realize it.) But she thought Jan. 6 was wrong, and might be convinced to vote against a candidate who would pardon the perpetrators, or at least not vote at all.
It really is amazing what folks will compromise for votes & power. Not really sure how he sleeps at night 😐
Besides the disgusting fact that he’d be willing to pardon terrorists, it’s hilarious that he thinks that “getting folks together to look at stuff” is the boldest action plan he could think of.
He is throwing that option out there because he needs Trump's deplorables on his side to win the nomination in the primaries.
You have a sharp eye, Jamie. That Daniel Wilson affidavit link has a rich trove of information. I haven't thought about the Grey Ghost for years. There was a TV series about him in the Fifties but in those early days of the civil rights movement its days were numbered. I had no idea until this morning that Col. John S. Mosby attended the same college from which my maternal grandfather graduated a few decades later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Mosby
Hope you have a good Memorial Day weekend.
When the GQP House says, “they did their job”, they are lying. They didn’t say WHICH benefits that Americans rely on to survive they would cut, they just threw out a number that was large enough to pass a bill by ONE vote… and there are more than a few radical right wing bomb throwers that won’t accept anything less.
In the end Biden has no choice but to declare the debt ceiling removed, based on the budget already passed by previous legal action. Let the right wing terrorists sue him, but the world economy won’t crash… and anyone who sues will be stating they want it to crash.
What are the differences between Don and Ron for the future? Don says he would stop giving money to Ukraine, Ron says he would continue. But money from the defense industry won't be enough for him to get the nomination over Trump.
I totally agree there were bad actors on Jan 6. These people should be punished to the full extent of the law. What I see are Republican candidates for President expressing the principals of swift, just and equal punishment under the law.
Who are the GOP candidates for president who are saying this? I'll be encouraged to hear of some, because I only know of Trump and DeSantis.
Jamie, are you saying the legal process involving the Jan 6 protesters has been just and fair to all? Really?
This is sort of like the claims of fraud after the 2020 election. Lots of talk, but nothing real. If the legal process was unfair, don't you think there would be a track record of court rulings in favor of various Jan. 6 defendants? And yet, there isn't.
No, the comparison is more like with the people responsible for the lives lost, the injured, and the billions of dollars in property damage caused during the riots of 2020.
I believe for many if not most of the Jan 6'rs, a night in jail was probably enough to teach them a behavioral lesson.
The "legal process" often begins with a grand jury's analysis of the "facts" which then lead to the next step in the process. The old saying is true that a prosecutor can persuade a grand jury to indite a ham sandwich, after which the next step is a *trial* which may or may not be followed by an *appeal*.
In this case there is not a "track record" other than the reports that have been released.
It seems to me this is the beginning of a "legal process".
Is there no chance of an appeal to a higher authority? Surely there must be some legal steps to pursue other than wait for a presidential pardon.
What am I missing?
What do you think has been unfair? They all have had lawyers, and plenty of time to craft a defense. They've had juries unless any of them chose bench trials, and voir dire to select unbiased jurors. In all the cases I've read about, the evidence against them has been concrete, not circumstantial. I don't see what has been unfair. Please enlighten me.